Errrr, ok. Not sure where you are making the connection from people disagreeing to fanboyism, but ok.

Never a big fan of renting ANYTHING myself. I do so out of need, not because it's 'good sense', far from it. If I put my money into something I want it to mean something, even if it means I have full HHD of games I will never touch again.

There is no way I am willing to put my money towards paying for license fee's either, which is where a good portion of that money is heading to.

If I was able to keep the software and not have to keep plugging money into it, maybe. Personally I play simulators because it's cheaper. If I had to pay 150-200 bucks a year just for the software, I would rather put a new ECU in my car, at least then I get to keep something that I enjoy.

I have been sucked into many monthy MMO's. Eventually with anything you get tired of it and don't want to play and you stop paying the fee, then you cannot access anything that you were once paying for. I have borked out over a grand in USD over the years to play stupid games that I will never see again, unless I give them MORE money, no thanks they can have their monthly fees =).

Paying for services are different however.

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Quote from thisnameistaken :

He did a good job of turning that quad on the rear wheels. He must wheelie everywhere.

Or he was fat enough to deform the tire/suspension enough

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v= ... sbr7w&feature=related

I don't know if that guy is insane or what, thought I would pass it on.

The wife and I bought the sky+ box and record anything we want view.

Cheers Scawen for giving us the ability to 'rewind' and jump to portions of the replay. For the CTRA this is a huge help and will improve the quality our reports, and decrease the amount of time spent on a report

For the CTRA we need to 'find' certain drivers in a replay so the 2D displays would be best if they are always up and visible so we can quickly identify which driver is who, without waiting for the replay controls to disappear.

I also like maximizing the screenspace and personally I like the idea of the replay controls disappearing when the mouse is not moved so the HUD returns to it's original position.

Quote from dontsimon :

The iRacing service is offering real tracks and cars as one of it's selling points. At a degree of accuracy never before seen. I don't think comparing the two sims is really valid at this point.

Hehe, I think thats more a marketing slogan than anything else. The tracks that have GPS mappings done on them, most of them are to inch IIRC.

Quote from Mattesa :

Burst my bubble? We're in agreement here. I was actually implying the CTRA system with the reference to insim in my post.

I will go back under my bridge now =)

Quote from blackbird04217 :

^^ Nice one, so is he flying or just falling with style?

=)

Is that a Neon with a Bodykit? =) You manage to shoehorn in the 2.4 yet into that beast? I love Dodge's 2.4

Quote from Danke :

Agreed, CTRA has done incredible things with LFS. And the potential exists for even greater things to be done with LFS (CTRA-X2, for example).

At one time some people were calling for the STCC system (prior to CTRA-X) to be fully integrated into LFS. I would be for that, especially if I could race Legend cars at South Boston Speedway and Spec Racer Fords at Mid-Ohio under that system. It appears that I need to buy a different sim to do that though.

Anything is possible, don't give up hope on LFS having real tracks just yet.

I don't know, the problem with allowing the game developers to manage the league system is, say for instance you have a driver that is continually wrecking someone and will not heed warnings, what will the devs do?

They are now stuck in a conflict of interest. On one side there is the the person that says that this person should be banned. But on the other the developers need to feed their kids so they let the guy off with another warning to keep the driver in the game and paying the monthly fee.

This might be said for many different things, but when a new system, like I-Racing, tries to sell monthly, with NO userbase, they are off the bat going to be very lenient to bolster their numbers, more than likely anyways. I think a monthly subscription fee will work very well, but I find it difficult to put my faith in them just yet =)

I am serious though, don't give up hope for LFS and having the ability for real tracks/cars. We already have a few cars already, tracks must surely come next =) I think the biggest problem is fee's. IIRC the rights to place silverstone in a game is about 40,000 pounds or $80,000 and the devs are not in a position to pay for that.

I think if the community brought some concrete information to the devs about tracks that are willing to let their track be published for free personally I think the devs would love the idea.

Quote from Bladerunner :

Wasn't real jet engines anyway, was from model airplanes..

LOL not real jet engines... I don't think he needs 25,000 pounds of thrust...

Quote from Mattesa :

Comparing it to other MMORPGS like WoW doesn't make much sense either. Apples to apples, does LFS not provide the same service already? If the Devs wanted to implement some sort of inbuilt league system, I'm sure they could do it relatively easily (a bundled insim app extension of LFSWorld stats).

Well not to burst your bubble, but there is a thing called insim, which can do pretty much anything you want...so... to answer your question yes LFS has the groundwork in place for most anything someone could dream of in terms of league management, just have to have the right skills in place to develop and manage it. As well as the fortitude to stick it out when things look like it might go pear shaped.

my 2p worth. No way I would pay that much a month for something that isn't established. Once they get their feet on the ground it's a possibility, but not before then, I can think of better things to do with my money =)

http://web.ukct.net/ Have a read there and you will see what I am talking about.

That Forza Challange was a farce, if you watch any of the video's they were literally cutting chicanes out, IE cutting across the grass, bouncing all the way at high speed and it was acceptable and encouraged it seemed by the announcers. There was aggressive driving ect, I watched about 10 minutes until I saw them cut across the track on the last lap to try to pass a far superior car. :LAME: in the extreme. It wasn't racing at all. It looked like street punks with too much money on their hands and could be able to rent out a track for the day... I saw little 'driver excelence' and it seemed that everyone was out to impress in one form or another, and it wasn't with their ability to threshold brake either....

It does look like a good laugh if anything else, but then RF is laughable

RF is ok, but it's so mod dependent and even then... IF only they had heard of a quality department and all mods had to go through them first =)

Quote from ajp71 :

Are you sure your not talking about a test session? Track days don't normally require any safety modifications to cars, and unless it is properly secured a fire extinguisher is the last thing you want to have with you on a track.

I know when I did one, both in the USA and the UK, I didn't have to have a fire extinguisher.

It could be possible I guess for each track to set their own regulation, but I highly doubt it.

Quote from Primoz :

What about zanardi then?

Take thisnameistaken's comments with a pinch of salt. He's just being sarcastic... again =)

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Miniville

I have always loved mariokart, this is no exception. It's a great laugh and a blast to play with friends! =)

That sucks!


That a 944? Out of all the Porsche's from that time frame that was one of the cheapest built and you can get a fully restored 944 for around 10,000 Euro's now with parts cars going as low as just over 100 euro's.

http://search.autotrader.co.uk ... -4294967213/search.action

I would be mega pissed too if it had happened to me and I would love to see the people punished, but to say your project car is ruined and has no chance of return just isn't true, unless you want it to be.

Yes it's going to be a lot of work, and money, again, but then isn't that what project cars are for?


I understand where you are coming from, man I would be seething, but your project car is not dead and you should be able to restore the car again.

LOL I would hate to be those pissheads that messed with your car, hopefully the police can do something, that interior has to be littered with prints ect.

Quote from mickyc30 :

yep, as soon as he rolled on track, his insurance was gone.

Depends on the insurance company and the policy held. You CAN get insurance for damages done on a track but it's pricey.

:RIP:

One of the risks of running trackdays, but I have to say, that was some bad luck to have the tank rip open like that., at least I am assuming thats what happened when the handlebars tank-slapped.

I think we have a ban coming off of this thread for this LFS forum user that sent you the PM =)

Quote from Ian.H :

Sounds like you think advertising makes or breaks visual situations.. news flash.. it doesn't.

Car art can yield high results without company names / logos if the artist has a bit of imagination with a paint brush. Likewise, if armco was just plain armco, what difference does it make? How many racers do you think drive round the track and think 'oh, a Marlboro ad on that 10' piece of armco, I must get me some of them on the way home'.. get real.

If you can't afford to run a server without trying to bludge off of the community to support it, there seems to be one simple answer.............



Regards,

Ian

Get out of your little box of thinking for yourself and think of the bigger picture, I am on about spectators and LFS being used in streams and TV deals, a bit different than your local homegrown server, sorry.

Server side ads for the regular server won't mean much, but with servers and events with substancial userbase the numbers could be significant and bring in a potential to increase the service provided on those servers even farther.

Quote from nihil :

Look, its a simple matter - advertising is a blight on what would otherwise be a very good life. There's no getting around this fact and "we" will hate you for forcing it on "us". We also know that it might be a necessity from your point of view, but since "we" see the world from "our" point of view, we will resist the "no option to disable" thing.

Its just a fact of life (as life currently stands...). Don't expect anyone to love you for it. Because we don't.

Not that I care much, since I've not been online for ages. Just pointing out something obvious.

I challenge you, imagine any race event, both LFS and Real life, without quality adverts and banners and ads.

Yes a quality control measure would have to be implemented, but think about it, all the cars would be like normal cars, no stickers, just the paint. BORING

Second think of trackside banners, yes there is a possiblity that they could be tacky and tastless, but on the whole the track wouldn't look like a track without banners pasted everywhere.

Take off all the ads you see at a track and remove them, what would it look like? Promotion within LFS is already present, just look at the cars, buildings, and bilboards the only difference now is that they are REAL banners with REAL companies, and they are PAYING for them, no brainer myself, which if anything would increase the quality on quality servers, and vice versa. It will add character to otherwise exactly the same tracks and the server admins personality can be reflected through the use of adverts, which IMO is a good thing.

I disagree somewhat, LFS IS ready for a mass rollout in it's current stage. It offers some great gameplay and good graphics. It also has some nice unique features. LFS IMO could easily be placed on the market and snatched up. Rock steady connection on the internet, Out of the 5 years I have played LFS I can count on a single hand how many times it has locked on me, which I cannot say about every other commercially available sim out on the market today.

BUT....

It's not ready because the devs are not happy currently with the current build. It doesn't have the features they would like to see or the content to be considered 'finalized' and because of that they refuse to place it on the market, which is IMO is a good move based on what LFS is trying to accomplish.

IMO LFS is not trying to make X amount of dollars, which lets face it every other game available on the market is about. Sure we pay for LFS, but it's pennies and is just enough so that the devs live comfortably while they produce their love.

Money is the main goal for any product released commerically. If they were not interested in money they wouldn't feel the need to release it in a commercial manner.